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	<title>Comments on: [Poll] Trouble FLOSSing in NUS?</title>
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		<title>By: icedwater</title>
		<link>http://linuxNUS.org/2009/09/02/trouble-flossing-in-nus/comment-page-1/#comment-6919</link>
		<dc:creator>icedwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good to see so many responses. Now how about that plan for world domination we shelved so long ago? Or would it actually be a problem if more PEBKAC cases started using Linux on a daily basis and demanded that it be adapted to suit their level?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Oh right, Ubuntu&#039;s already doing that. Well ... can&#039;t complain, it&#039;s what I use.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We could always do with another FLOSS workshop. Only - how many people actually use it after the workshop? Perhaps some sort of participant tracking is in order, though it hasn&#039;t had all the best response in the past... dilemma dilemma.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see so many responses. Now how about that plan for world domination we shelved so long ago? Or would it actually be a problem if more PEBKAC cases started using Linux on a daily basis and demanded that it be adapted to suit their level?</p>

<p>Oh right, Ubuntu&#8217;s already doing that. Well &#8230; can&#8217;t complain, it&#8217;s what I use.</p>

<p>We could always do with another FLOSS workshop. Only &#8211; how many people actually use it after the workshop? Perhaps some sort of participant tracking is in order, though it hasn&#8217;t had all the best response in the past&#8230; dilemma dilemma.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: rabufed</title>
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		<dc:creator>rabufed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you need Windows, no problem - just run a &lt;b&gt;virtual machine&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Recent Linux kernels have kvm built-in, you could also try Sun VirtualBox, which has a nice GUI.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If your processor supports virtualization, you should experience near-native performance.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;With support on the guest (virtual machine) for networking, USB devices, disk/partition access, VGA - you should be able to do most (if not all) Windows tasks comfortably.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Regarding networking connectivity: try wicd, instead of Novell&#039;s NetworkManager.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you need Windows, no problem &#8211; just run a <b>virtual machine</b>.</p>

<p>Recent Linux kernels have kvm built-in, you could also try Sun VirtualBox, which has a nice GUI.</p>

<p>If your processor supports virtualization, you should experience near-native performance.</p>

<p>With support on the guest (virtual machine) for networking, USB devices, disk/partition access, VGA &#8211; you should be able to do most (if not all) Windows tasks comfortably.</p>

<p>Regarding networking connectivity: try wicd, instead of Novell&#8217;s NetworkManager.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;1) People in NUS don&#039;t use open source because there are channels for them to use closed-source software. Like the SoC website which offers MSDN software downloads or torrent.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2) is not available in . Okay, that isn&#039;t a problem with Wine, but the average student can&#039;t care less about installing a new OS and using an emulator to run a software with sub-par performance. Its like doing things in a convoluted way.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;3) is too hard to learn. For example, Latex. Why would somebody learn markup language when they can just do the all-too-familiar highlight-and-bold-that-text routine. Yes it gives superior typographically pleasing documents but its too much of a hassle to find that damn package which lets you do non-intuitive stuff like wrapping text around the contour of a rounded image.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Generally, I think open-source software is more suitable for people who are more self-motivated to learn and troubleshoot. Most people just wanted something that you can press that power switch and let it run without any snags. Unfortunately that might not be the case for open-source, like that elusive wireless driver which I have to scour for after installing Fedora, or that bloody player to play your animes in matroska format. There are extensive documentation and self-help groups, but it is the user who has to be motivated to find these resources so that he can solve these problems in the first place. Sadly speaking from what I have observed, this is not the case for the general populace in NUS.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) People in NUS don&#8217;t use open source because there are channels for them to use closed-source software. Like the SoC website which offers MSDN software downloads or torrent.</p>

<p>2) is not available in . Okay, that isn&#8217;t a problem with Wine, but the average student can&#8217;t care less about installing a new OS and using an emulator to run a software with sub-par performance. Its like doing things in a convoluted way.</p>

<p>3) is too hard to learn. For example, Latex. Why would somebody learn markup language when they can just do the all-too-familiar highlight-and-bold-that-text routine. Yes it gives superior typographically pleasing documents but its too much of a hassle to find that damn package which lets you do non-intuitive stuff like wrapping text around the contour of a rounded image.</p>

<p>Generally, I think open-source software is more suitable for people who are more self-motivated to learn and troubleshoot. Most people just wanted something that you can press that power switch and let it run without any snags. Unfortunately that might not be the case for open-source, like that elusive wireless driver which I have to scour for after installing Fedora, or that bloody player to play your animes in matroska format. There are extensive documentation and self-help groups, but it is the user who has to be motivated to find these resources so that he can solve these problems in the first place. Sadly speaking from what I have observed, this is not the case for the general populace in NUS.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ruiwen</title>
		<link>http://linuxNUS.org/2009/09/02/trouble-flossing-in-nus/comment-page-1/#comment-6602</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruiwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 02:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@juliana Good point about experienced users vs. new users. Would you say a workshop on the common tools needed to survive in NUS with FLOSS is in order?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@juliana Good point about experienced users vs. new users. Would you say a workshop on the common tools needed to survive in NUS with FLOSS is in order?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: juliana</title>
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		<dc:creator>juliana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Following up on my earlier note about the USB driver for Lego NXT: it does work with libusb-dev. Discovered that one needs to be root to work with the NXT via USB.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s my first sem starting out with FOSS (and intend to do so for the remaining sems)- I observed that courses which require set ups mostly provide for the Windows platform (docs, installation files, etc). Familiar FOSS users may not find too much trouble setting up equivalent environments on their own platforms, but I can see how a beginner could be turned off by this lack of support.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following up on my earlier note about the USB driver for Lego NXT: it does work with libusb-dev. Discovered that one needs to be root to work with the NXT via USB.</p>

<p>It&#8217;s my first sem starting out with FOSS (and intend to do so for the remaining sems)- I observed that courses which require set ups mostly provide for the Windows platform (docs, installation files, etc). Familiar FOSS users may not find too much trouble setting up equivalent environments on their own platforms, but I can see how a beginner could be turned off by this lack of support.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Amit Kumar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amit Kumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 08:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In ECE, the department does not seem to have any &quot;open source policy&quot;. I raised the issue of usage of open source OS in a student-staff liaison meeting a few semesters back. Their response was: they are unbiased about the OS and use an OS as per the need of the project. Somebody during the meeting also said about 95% of students use Windows exclusively.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The issue is not whether students use a particular OS, but whether they are aware of the alternatives. I have an impression that most undergrad students (at least in ECE) do not even get to try any other OS, even till they graduate. Is this right?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In ECE, the department does not seem to have any &#8220;open source policy&#8221;. I raised the issue of usage of open source OS in a student-staff liaison meeting a few semesters back. Their response was: they are unbiased about the OS and use an OS as per the need of the project. Somebody during the meeting also said about 95% of students use Windows exclusively.</p>

<p>The issue is not whether students use a particular OS, but whether they are aware of the alternatives. I have an impression that most undergrad students (at least in ECE) do not even get to try any other OS, even till they graduate. Is this right?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Amit Kumar</title>
		<link>http://linuxNUS.org/2009/09/02/trouble-flossing-in-nus/comment-page-1/#comment-6592</link>
		<dc:creator>Amit Kumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 07:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Nixxy: Beamer is the way to go for presentation with latex.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;@Hang Jian: I find Thunderbird somewhat cumbersome: I can&#039;t see my NUS address book and search takes long (well it takes look in Outlook too).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nixxy: Beamer is the way to go for presentation with latex.</p>

<p>@Hang Jian: I find Thunderbird somewhat cumbersome: I can&#8217;t see my NUS address book and search takes long (well it takes look in Outlook too).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ruiwen</title>
		<link>http://linuxNUS.org/2009/09/02/trouble-flossing-in-nus/comment-page-1/#comment-6591</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruiwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 02:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Nixxy: SVN was also available in the SoC Zones that they provide to students I think, only that you need to run the setup script first before using it. I remember using SVN for one of my projects there. In fact, I think the Solaris Zones are a great way for students to get more familiar with other platforms.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;@Amit Kumar: Indeed. I wish more Profs would consider the use of more FLOSS in their courses.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nixxy: SVN was also available in the SoC Zones that they provide to students I think, only that you need to run the setup script first before using it. I remember using SVN for one of my projects there. In fact, I think the Solaris Zones are a great way for students to get more familiar with other platforms.</p>

<p>@Amit Kumar: Indeed. I wish more Profs would consider the use of more FLOSS in their courses.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: jmarki</title>
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		<dc:creator>jmarki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 17:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Does NUS webvpn actually work on Linux? &lt;a href=&quot;https://webvpn.nus.edu.sg/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https://webvpn.nus.edu.sg/&lt;/a&gt; I still couldn&#039;t get it to work...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;At least NUS webmail can be accessed using Firefox now. But accessing NUS emails using Thunderbird (through IMAP) is still the best way.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I am not sure how popular are NUS Online Communities nowadays &lt;a href=&quot;http://u.nus.edu.sg/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://u.nus.edu.sg/&lt;/a&gt;. It uses Microsoft Sharepoint as the backend, so does Firefox work properly?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does NUS webvpn actually work on Linux? <a href="https://webvpn.nus.edu.sg/" rel="nofollow">https://webvpn.nus.edu.sg/</a> I still couldn&#8217;t get it to work&#8230;</p>

<p>At least NUS webmail can be accessed using Firefox now. But accessing NUS emails using Thunderbird (through IMAP) is still the best way.</p>

<p>I am not sure how popular are NUS Online Communities nowadays <a href="http://u.nus.edu.sg/" rel="nofollow">http://u.nus.edu.sg/</a>. It uses Microsoft Sharepoint as the backend, so does Firefox work properly?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Amit Kumar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amit Kumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 11:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In my opinion, open source is emerging as a powerful tool, and many Profs are unaware of it -- in the same manner that they are unaware of Twitter.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, open source is emerging as a powerful tool, and many Profs are unaware of it &#8212; in the same manner that they are unaware of Twitter.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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